Comments about Addie Hoyt Fargo blog dated 2/15/2012
Another start to another conspiracy theory based on scant information....or none at all. Watch the phrasing and the keys are in the text where this is going.
The whole first paragraph is probably hear say from the Fargo Mansion boys, or Rosemary made it up as foundation for more outrageous claims later. The point I'm making is there isn't any historical support for the claim that there was anything 'highly competitive' between the senior members of the family and E J. Each family member had interests all their own. L D built the library, E J built the electric plant. It was a very philanthropic group that contributed large sums for the betterment of all Lake Mills residents. Very commendable, I would think. The idea of jealous competition is a figment of Rosemary's imagination. The boys had large houses because they could......E J remodeled his home after he purchased it to suit his own style and activities, and he probably had some help from his wife. Not a competitive effort at all.
The purchase of live stock was consistent with E J's interest in farming. He manufactured dairy equipment and when life got comfortable he wanted to be a gentleman farmer....and he had the money to purchase whatever he wanted. Wegeman was his busines partner.....it's not unusual for partners to collaborate in areas outside of their core business. Farming was more a recreation for E J than an income generating effort. I guess he could have bought ceramic lawn ornaments of horses, cattle and pigs and set out in his yard with his herd.
Purchasing from siblings was pretty common since family members would often help each other. Buying land, equipment or livestock from a sibling, or with a sibling, is a common practice.....even today. There might be some contributing factors that caused in interest in selling the land.....like age, health or changing priorities.
Building homes on Reed Street.....without doing more research I cannot be certain but I have a pretty good idea what was going on at the time. The theory that Rosemary is trying to conjure up to make some erroneous point doesn't add up......but that's never stopped her before. It's clear Rosemary has her teeth in the house story and will follow the very predictable course I laid out in a previous blog.
Then in the spring of 1900 E J took Addie to Cuba for a vacation. This is the wife he beat regularly according to Rosemary. He must have taken her on vacation so he could beat her up in other states and countries...... And Addie writes a travelogue that never once mentions getting beaten up by her husband. How could this be? Rule of thumb and all that garbage.
It would have been more convenient if E J had thrown Addie off the boat on the return trip from Cuba. That way there wouldn't be any discussion on the depth of the grave or the jewelry.
I've seen some interesting documents and heard some anecdotes from the Cuba trip that were fun. Someday I might provide those to the LM Historical Society. The point is that E J mixed business with pleasure on this trip and made more expenditures....hardly the sign of a man short on cash.
The Rosemary suggests E J was spreading his finances pretty thin with the expenditures he made in the spring of 1900. This is unfounded and contrary to Rosemary's previous claim that he was the richest man in town......or one of the richest......or something along those lines. He had made quite pile of money already.......and he still was collecting income from his dairy equipment company. Rosemary has no idea how much money E J had and is about to make some irresponsible statement about what she doesn't know.
The summary from this Addie blog entry is that Rosemary is about to launch two conspiracy theories. One regarding the houses on Reed Street and the other about E J's money. Neither of which will have basis in historically supported fact.......although there might be a little factual information mixed in to try to add legitimacy.
It's too bad Rosemary can't write about her great, great aunt instead of making up false information about E J. Unfortunately, Addies accomplishments could be compiled in 8 point font on a tri-fold page and there would be plenty of white space.
Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Follow the money
I've been thinking about posting this for some time. Clearly Rosemary Thornton has long ago exposed her true motives for pursuing E J with so much vigor and vinegar. Her actions include manufacturing history, inventing various characters, omission of key parts of documents, misrepresentation of physical and historical evidence and presentations containing false and unsupported conclusions.
Several of the people, including me, that have reviewed the Addie Hoyt Fargo information as presented by Rosemary conclude the motive cannot be anything more than money. Why else woiuld she spend this much time compromising her integrity?
Think about the kit home books, for example. The purchasers and readers of these books are a niche group that is not going to make anyone wealthy. However, if Rosemary can drive more people to her blog by dramatizing Addie Hoyt Fargo she may be able to increase sales of her kit homes books.
I'm going to step to the side on this discussion to be snarky for a little bit.
Sears opened up all their files on kit homes a while ago and that made the job a lot easier to locate the homes. I think Rosemary has gotten local people to take most of the pictures and not been traveling as much as she claims..... Much cheaper and easier to get people to do your work for free........
She still practices that by utilizing the Lake Mills chapter of the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk to get here Addie research done.
According to Amazon, Rosemary wrote a book titled something about 'An Ugly Woman's Guide to Internet Dating'. I wonder if she notes in that book that some women's character makes them ugly clear to the bone?
Back to original post.
The other driver Rosemary attempted was to include in her blogs key phrases that are high volume internet searches. More people would come to her blog when they were really looking for information on something else. Some might actually keep returning to follow the dramatic, but untrue, events surrounding Addie Hoyt Fargo. The lowest point in this exercise was when Rosemary included Caylee Anthony in her blog. I called her out on this at the time. To exploit the situation surrounding this horrible event is inexcusable.
Rosemary has been all over the web spreading the same false information. She created (or edited) a wikipedia entry on E J, wrote a review on Mary Wilson's book on Amazon and posted to a forum on findagrave.com. All posts include murder, of course.
Rosemary continues to prostitute her great, great aunt (or is it great aunt, it changes) and villify E J. My goal is to separate the fact from the fiction......the 'fact' has long ago been discarded......and expose her false information as much as possible. If Rosemary appears publicly on this subject I will attend, if possible, or expose her presentation in some other way. If Rosemary is on television I will contact the show and the FCC. And if she writes a book I will determine my legal options to bring her to justice.
As I've stated previously.......If Rosemary wants to write a book it should be fiction and the names, dates and locations changed to protect all the innocent people whose character and integrity she has damaged.
Several of the people, including me, that have reviewed the Addie Hoyt Fargo information as presented by Rosemary conclude the motive cannot be anything more than money. Why else woiuld she spend this much time compromising her integrity?
Think about the kit home books, for example. The purchasers and readers of these books are a niche group that is not going to make anyone wealthy. However, if Rosemary can drive more people to her blog by dramatizing Addie Hoyt Fargo she may be able to increase sales of her kit homes books.
I'm going to step to the side on this discussion to be snarky for a little bit.
Sears opened up all their files on kit homes a while ago and that made the job a lot easier to locate the homes. I think Rosemary has gotten local people to take most of the pictures and not been traveling as much as she claims..... Much cheaper and easier to get people to do your work for free........
She still practices that by utilizing the Lake Mills chapter of the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk to get here Addie research done.
According to Amazon, Rosemary wrote a book titled something about 'An Ugly Woman's Guide to Internet Dating'. I wonder if she notes in that book that some women's character makes them ugly clear to the bone?
Back to original post.
The other driver Rosemary attempted was to include in her blogs key phrases that are high volume internet searches. More people would come to her blog when they were really looking for information on something else. Some might actually keep returning to follow the dramatic, but untrue, events surrounding Addie Hoyt Fargo. The lowest point in this exercise was when Rosemary included Caylee Anthony in her blog. I called her out on this at the time. To exploit the situation surrounding this horrible event is inexcusable.
Rosemary has been all over the web spreading the same false information. She created (or edited) a wikipedia entry on E J, wrote a review on Mary Wilson's book on Amazon and posted to a forum on findagrave.com. All posts include murder, of course.
Rosemary continues to prostitute her great, great aunt (or is it great aunt, it changes) and villify E J. My goal is to separate the fact from the fiction......the 'fact' has long ago been discarded......and expose her false information as much as possible. If Rosemary appears publicly on this subject I will attend, if possible, or expose her presentation in some other way. If Rosemary is on television I will contact the show and the FCC. And if she writes a book I will determine my legal options to bring her to justice.
As I've stated previously.......If Rosemary wants to write a book it should be fiction and the names, dates and locations changed to protect all the innocent people whose character and integrity she has damaged.
Monday, February 13, 2012
Every Funeral Tradition of the Time Was Violated By This Burial… (Part II)
Refutation of Addie Hoyt Fargo blog 2/13/2012
Different day, same old stuff.....making up conclusions based on thin air and re-stating them as facts.
To second guess the reaction to Addie's death and the following actions without any physical or historical supporting evidence is just plain irresponsible. There's nothing like Monday morning quarterbacks to decide what "should have been done".
The message in this blog is that unusual circumstances were employed to bury someone that was believed to have a deadly and virulent form of diphtheria. Very likely, but so what? The neophyte Dr. Oatway made the diagnosis (historical record) and the decision to bury Addie post haste was made by more than E J. Hildebrandt, Oatway and others were involved in making sure the community was not exposed unnecessarily to the disease. Makes sense to rational people since community leaders are charged with protecting the population.
E J did the best he could under the circumstances (supported by historical record). Nice coffin, decent hole in the ground, friend and relatives attended and a minister to provide last rights. Supported by historical record.
No foul play was indicated (forensic record, historical record).
The grave was 34 inches deep before any artifacts were found (measured by the grave digger and sexton). The ground was uneven...........maybe it was 40 inches from the other side. Really doesn't matter since it was obvious the grave contents had moved around after interment (observation and corroboration from forensic experts).
Diphtherial may have been contracted in a trip to Portage (obituary, historical record).
Duration of disease is not known specifically but Addie had been ill for more than two days (obituary).
The death of typhoid in Florida has no bearing on the conduct of the people in Lake Mills. Neither does the presence of a diptheria antitoxin. Read the account......Addie was dead by the time the diagnosis was made (historical references).
It's easy to separate facts and fiction...... simply stop reading the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog and the fiction is eliminated from the conversation.
Different day, same old stuff.....making up conclusions based on thin air and re-stating them as facts.
To second guess the reaction to Addie's death and the following actions without any physical or historical supporting evidence is just plain irresponsible. There's nothing like Monday morning quarterbacks to decide what "should have been done".
The message in this blog is that unusual circumstances were employed to bury someone that was believed to have a deadly and virulent form of diphtheria. Very likely, but so what? The neophyte Dr. Oatway made the diagnosis (historical record) and the decision to bury Addie post haste was made by more than E J. Hildebrandt, Oatway and others were involved in making sure the community was not exposed unnecessarily to the disease. Makes sense to rational people since community leaders are charged with protecting the population.
E J did the best he could under the circumstances (supported by historical record). Nice coffin, decent hole in the ground, friend and relatives attended and a minister to provide last rights. Supported by historical record.
No foul play was indicated (forensic record, historical record).
The grave was 34 inches deep before any artifacts were found (measured by the grave digger and sexton). The ground was uneven...........maybe it was 40 inches from the other side. Really doesn't matter since it was obvious the grave contents had moved around after interment (observation and corroboration from forensic experts).
Diphtherial may have been contracted in a trip to Portage (obituary, historical record).
Duration of disease is not known specifically but Addie had been ill for more than two days (obituary).
The death of typhoid in Florida has no bearing on the conduct of the people in Lake Mills. Neither does the presence of a diptheria antitoxin. Read the account......Addie was dead by the time the diagnosis was made (historical references).
It's easy to separate facts and fiction...... simply stop reading the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog and the fiction is eliminated from the conversation.
How Long Does it Take to Dig a Grave?
Refutation of the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog dated 2/10/2012
This particular entry is a joke.
Rosemary invented the notion that E J and the hired man (another piece of fiction Rosemary invented) dug the grave. May play well to the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk but no historical evidence exists. This is pure fiction.
The idea that there was 10-12 inches of dirt over the grave is way beyond fiction. It's a lie since Rosemary was standing grave side and knows the first artifacts were found at 34 inches. At least 3 feet of dirt must have been on top of the grave. See other blog posts that clarify this point.
Mitchell is correct. It's not a valid depth....that's because he was shown a carefully selected picture that Rosemary could coerce and influence him with. If he had been there his statementy would be different. Same tactic was used to claim spousal abuse....... I don't know why people are not more inquisitive when their expertise is being requested...... Ego maybe? Rosemary tried this game with Dr. Peterson but he was wise enough to avoid falling for it. That didn't stop Rosemary from lieing about the results of her conversation with Dr. Peterson.
The blog reader that says that as a concrete person E J knew the grave needed to be deeper. First of all, he didn't dig the grave......the concept of him being out there with a shovel is just plain ludicrous.
Second, the poor reader actually believes the depth Rosemary claims, which is not truthful.
So the grave was 34 inches deep before any artifacts were found matching Mitchell's minimum requirements. The grave diggers probably worked from sun up until they were done with the job. And who says there was only two or that one took a break while the other worked. Assumption not base on fact. More Monday morning quarterbacking.
I will reiterate - the grave was easily within depth parameters. There was not a vault available due to timing. The funeral was proper with a nice coffin and religious service. It's the only reasonable conclusion based on the physical evidence and historical references. Any other conclusion is conjecture for dramatic purposes and unsupported in many ways. Of course this was the best funeral that could be done at the time under the conditions of a deadly contagious disease. Rosemary's contention that Addie was 'thrown into the ground' is for dramatic purposes.....it means nothing based on historical record.
There isn't any evidence that the grave was already closed at the funeral...none whatsoever. Yet Rosemary is twisting the historical information to support her irresponsible handling of factual information. It's slanted interpretation of the obituary to come up with this.
Note that the links at the bottom go back to the Addie blog... The supporting information for Rosemary's outrageous claims........ are her outrageous conclusions made previously.
Far too much inaccuracy in this Addie post to clean up with a snow shovel. I am sympathetic to Mitchell and Bowles for being taken advantage of by Rosemary.....they need to be more careful next time.
This particular entry is a joke.
Rosemary invented the notion that E J and the hired man (another piece of fiction Rosemary invented) dug the grave. May play well to the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk but no historical evidence exists. This is pure fiction.
The idea that there was 10-12 inches of dirt over the grave is way beyond fiction. It's a lie since Rosemary was standing grave side and knows the first artifacts were found at 34 inches. At least 3 feet of dirt must have been on top of the grave. See other blog posts that clarify this point.
Mitchell is correct. It's not a valid depth....that's because he was shown a carefully selected picture that Rosemary could coerce and influence him with. If he had been there his statementy would be different. Same tactic was used to claim spousal abuse....... I don't know why people are not more inquisitive when their expertise is being requested...... Ego maybe? Rosemary tried this game with Dr. Peterson but he was wise enough to avoid falling for it. That didn't stop Rosemary from lieing about the results of her conversation with Dr. Peterson.
The blog reader that says that as a concrete person E J knew the grave needed to be deeper. First of all, he didn't dig the grave......the concept of him being out there with a shovel is just plain ludicrous.
Second, the poor reader actually believes the depth Rosemary claims, which is not truthful.
So the grave was 34 inches deep before any artifacts were found matching Mitchell's minimum requirements. The grave diggers probably worked from sun up until they were done with the job. And who says there was only two or that one took a break while the other worked. Assumption not base on fact. More Monday morning quarterbacking.
I will reiterate - the grave was easily within depth parameters. There was not a vault available due to timing. The funeral was proper with a nice coffin and religious service. It's the only reasonable conclusion based on the physical evidence and historical references. Any other conclusion is conjecture for dramatic purposes and unsupported in many ways. Of course this was the best funeral that could be done at the time under the conditions of a deadly contagious disease. Rosemary's contention that Addie was 'thrown into the ground' is for dramatic purposes.....it means nothing based on historical record.
There isn't any evidence that the grave was already closed at the funeral...none whatsoever. Yet Rosemary is twisting the historical information to support her irresponsible handling of factual information. It's slanted interpretation of the obituary to come up with this.
Note that the links at the bottom go back to the Addie blog... The supporting information for Rosemary's outrageous claims........ are her outrageous conclusions made previously.
Far too much inaccuracy in this Addie post to clean up with a snow shovel. I am sympathetic to Mitchell and Bowles for being taken advantage of by Rosemary.....they need to be more careful next time.
Where’s Addie’s House?
Comments about the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog dated 2/12/2012
I found this blog entry to be curious for one particular reason. Watch how this story evolves and see if I can predict this accurately.
First there's this newspaper article. Pretty innocuous in it's own right. There is probably far more information being withheld by Rosemary that is being shared.....her typical approach.
In a week or so Rosemary will write something that begins with "I wonder...." or some similar phrasing
About a week later or so Rosemary will restate that "I wonder...." question as if it's absolute fact.
After it ferments for a while look for an entry that says something along the lines that she has definite and absolute proof that supports her statement.
Most if not all will be fiction and the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk will be congratulating her on the wonderful research and how the evidence is "tipping off the scales".
Villfying E J unfairly the whole time...........it's a replay of the same mythology over and over again.
I found this blog entry to be curious for one particular reason. Watch how this story evolves and see if I can predict this accurately.
First there's this newspaper article. Pretty innocuous in it's own right. There is probably far more information being withheld by Rosemary that is being shared.....her typical approach.
In a week or so Rosemary will write something that begins with "I wonder...." or some similar phrasing
About a week later or so Rosemary will restate that "I wonder...." question as if it's absolute fact.
After it ferments for a while look for an entry that says something along the lines that she has definite and absolute proof that supports her statement.
Most if not all will be fiction and the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk will be congratulating her on the wonderful research and how the evidence is "tipping off the scales".
Villfying E J unfairly the whole time...........it's a replay of the same mythology over and over again.
Sunday, February 12, 2012
Every Funeral Tradition of the Time Was Violated By This Burial
Refutation of Addit Hoyt Fargo blog dated 2/9/12
Here we go again on a wild goose chase making accusations and drawing conclusions base on thin air creation of conspiracy theory. Clearly Rosemary is laying the foundation for additional false allegations as she has done before. It would be nice to believe that this is the entirety of the conversation with Mitchell but as I noted previously, Rosemary has misrepresented information intentionally to support her wild accusations - see my notes on a Peterson conversation with Rosemary and Rosemary stating he confirmed Addie didn't die of diphtheria......she wasn't truthful about that conversation and I doubt she is being truthful about the conversation with Mitchell........or Bowles....at least not totally truthful. It's a credibility problem that she has failed to come to grips with.
I'll take the easy ones first.
Addie's death was a big deal in Lake Mills. The historical records support that. premise.
Addie was buried in her shoes and without her jewelry because that was what she had on when she died. It's more logical to expect her to lie down with her shoes on after being up all day and feeling fatigued....probably expecting to get up later after taking a nap. Mitchell was right....she died with her boots on and the body was carefully put in a coffin and taken to the cemetery where the mourners paid their respects.....the friend and relatives attended that were not afraid of catching a dreaded disease. And buried in a proper grave considering the circumstances.
See my previous notes on Rosemary misrepresenting the depth of the grave..and the rest of the story.
Then Rosemary proceeds to state that the presence of the shoes proves that Addie was murdered. Again, a statement that ludicrous is to be expected but that doesn't make it accurate. If you go through the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog you'll find that Rosemary makes similar statements about everything. Even in aggregate these claims are sufficient to prove her case.
Mitchell also confirms that Addie was buried in the best casket available. There is no doubt that the casket was pretty upscale with a viewing window to not endanger the mourners and very nice metal handle brackets. It's not like Hildebrandt ran a casket warehouse........not in a town the size of Lake Mills and no time to ship one in from Iowa or Milwaukee.
The lack of a vault means nothing......it's pretty binary. Either there was one available or not...and there wasn't one available. I'm curious about the details where Mitchell says they had a coffin with a crushed lid. Wonder where that vault was and how that could have possibly happened. Addie's coffin had a glass viewing window....think about it. Maybe I'll call Mitchell and ask him a few questions.....unless he's been coached by Rosemary like I think Bowles was.
Mitchell also confirms the depth of the grave was adequate, even if there is not way to determine the original depth. He states 3 feet to protect the body from animals.....the first remains were found at 34 inches....last time I studied a yardstick the 34 inch mark at just shy of the 3 foot mark. The idea that Mitchell was surprised that 34 inches was shallow has to be because Rosemary misrepresented the actual depth...........which she does repeatedly in her blog. Mitchell's confirmation that 3 feet is plenty puts aside the rest of Rosemary's "wonderment" in this blog entry.
With the amount of Addie's remains that were found there is no chance there was animal invasion.....just plain didn't happen. I'm sure in a future blog post Rosemary will make this factual information and the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk will be all over it like flies on manure.
I can't speak to the urgency for burial of a diphtheria patient in Iowa or Illinois but these two passages come from the history of a family of doctors in Middleton, Wisconsin. This was sent to me by another person who thinks Rosemary is incorrect with her conspiracy theories.
I'll give you the URL to follow up on this.....because what I write is transparent.....nothing to hide...no profit motive. Lake Mills was not the most sophisticated community and I'm convinced Oatway, Hildebrandt and the rest provided the best services they could with their knowledge base. It's easy for Mitchell and Bowles to be a 'Monday morning quarterback'....not so easy to be in fray at the time.
Way too much is misrepresented in this Addie blog entry for me to summarize all the bad information..
Increasingly the laughable 'evidence' that Rosemary generates without historical support suggests she is desperate to make money out of this somehow. I'm saving my thoughts on that aspect for a separate, future blog.
Here we go again on a wild goose chase making accusations and drawing conclusions base on thin air creation of conspiracy theory. Clearly Rosemary is laying the foundation for additional false allegations as she has done before. It would be nice to believe that this is the entirety of the conversation with Mitchell but as I noted previously, Rosemary has misrepresented information intentionally to support her wild accusations - see my notes on a Peterson conversation with Rosemary and Rosemary stating he confirmed Addie didn't die of diphtheria......she wasn't truthful about that conversation and I doubt she is being truthful about the conversation with Mitchell........or Bowles....at least not totally truthful. It's a credibility problem that she has failed to come to grips with.
I'll take the easy ones first.
Addie's death was a big deal in Lake Mills. The historical records support that. premise.
Addie was buried in her shoes and without her jewelry because that was what she had on when she died. It's more logical to expect her to lie down with her shoes on after being up all day and feeling fatigued....probably expecting to get up later after taking a nap. Mitchell was right....she died with her boots on and the body was carefully put in a coffin and taken to the cemetery where the mourners paid their respects.....the friend and relatives attended that were not afraid of catching a dreaded disease. And buried in a proper grave considering the circumstances.
See my previous notes on Rosemary misrepresenting the depth of the grave..and the rest of the story.
Then Rosemary proceeds to state that the presence of the shoes proves that Addie was murdered. Again, a statement that ludicrous is to be expected but that doesn't make it accurate. If you go through the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog you'll find that Rosemary makes similar statements about everything. Even in aggregate these claims are sufficient to prove her case.
Mitchell also confirms that Addie was buried in the best casket available. There is no doubt that the casket was pretty upscale with a viewing window to not endanger the mourners and very nice metal handle brackets. It's not like Hildebrandt ran a casket warehouse........not in a town the size of Lake Mills and no time to ship one in from Iowa or Milwaukee.
The lack of a vault means nothing......it's pretty binary. Either there was one available or not...and there wasn't one available. I'm curious about the details where Mitchell says they had a coffin with a crushed lid. Wonder where that vault was and how that could have possibly happened. Addie's coffin had a glass viewing window....think about it. Maybe I'll call Mitchell and ask him a few questions.....unless he's been coached by Rosemary like I think Bowles was.
Mitchell also confirms the depth of the grave was adequate, even if there is not way to determine the original depth. He states 3 feet to protect the body from animals.....the first remains were found at 34 inches....last time I studied a yardstick the 34 inch mark at just shy of the 3 foot mark. The idea that Mitchell was surprised that 34 inches was shallow has to be because Rosemary misrepresented the actual depth...........which she does repeatedly in her blog. Mitchell's confirmation that 3 feet is plenty puts aside the rest of Rosemary's "wonderment" in this blog entry.
With the amount of Addie's remains that were found there is no chance there was animal invasion.....just plain didn't happen. I'm sure in a future blog post Rosemary will make this factual information and the Desperate Housewives of Norfolk will be all over it like flies on manure.
I can't speak to the urgency for burial of a diphtheria patient in Iowa or Illinois but these two passages come from the history of a family of doctors in Middleton, Wisconsin. This was sent to me by another person who thinks Rosemary is incorrect with her conspiracy theories.
In the late 19th century the medical landscape was still grim. Smallpox, tuberculosis, diphtheria,typhoid, meningitis, and measles were rampant and carried a high mortality.
Diphtheria was a big killer of families and was looked upon with horror. People dying of this disease were buried at dusk with only the minister and the doctor at the grave. All others were outside the cemetery wall.
http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/_WMS/publications/wmj/issues/wmj_v103n2/Hansotia.pdf
Way too much is misrepresented in this Addie blog entry for me to summarize all the bad information..
Increasingly the laughable 'evidence' that Rosemary generates without historical support suggests she is desperate to make money out of this somehow. I'm saving my thoughts on that aspect for a separate, future blog.
Saturday, February 11, 2012
No Funeral Director Was Involved in Addie’s Burial (Part II)
Refutation of the Addie Hoyt Fargo blog 2/7/2012
This was interesting. The assumption is that the coffin was nailed shut.....that's what Rosemary told Bowles, anyway. The part that is most entertaining is the comment about how "we're assuming" and " because of the size and placement of the nails". When I was standing at grave side there was minimal organization to the artifacts being removed. "Placement" is subjective and unsupported by any physical or historical evidence. Apparently Rosemary is now an expert in the construction of coffins.
There wasn't any closing and locking hardware found with the other artifacts. However, I will continue to repeat that all the artifacts taken were recovered from a 3 X 3 foot area at one corner of the grave. The artifacts were found under 34 inches of soil. That doesn't substantiate the original depth of the grave since it's obvious the materials within the grave were compressed from the original position into a relatively small area and there is strong indication that not all artifactes were found and removed from the grave. The forensic report states 'breakage and fragmentation of other bones appears most consistent with frost heave' - see the report in a different entry in this blog. This doesn't necessarily mean the grave was shallow when it was dug . It does confirm that over the course of 110 years various topographical, meterological, geological and botanical factors came into play and shifted the contents around. Eventually, the bones were moved up to the point where frost was a factor.
It is irresponsible for someone to state that the original grave depth can be determined accurately.
So, let's assume the coffin lid was nailed shut just for giggles...........since it cannot be confirmed; and there wasn't a locking mechanism since none was found. Assume from the obituary that friends and relatives attended the funeral . At least the funeral attendance has historical reference to support it. Seems logical to me to nail the lid shut to protect the attendees from running the risk of contracting diphtheria. Even Bowles admits some coffins were shut wood on wood without a closing mechanism. The other reason to secure the cover might be because of the lack of a vault to protect the reamins over time.
Now to the 'animal disturbance'. It's pretty obvious from the amount of skeletal remains found that there wasn't any animal disturbance. Poor Bowles was operating on the false information he received from Rosemary that the grave was 'only 34 inches deep' - an obviously untruthful piece of information. Knowning that Rosemary told him that was the depth of the grave pretty much invalidates most of his conclusions. I've seen Rosemary perform this 'slight of hand' before.....kind of a bait and switch interview. See the video presented to the Lake Mills - Aztalan Historical Society for a really good example of making something out of nothing.
The rest of this is the same old incorrect, unsupported, inaccurate and untruthful information I always find in the Addit Hoyt Fargo blog.
The idea that there wasn't a funeral director involved is ludicrous considering the description of the funeral in the obituary.
The concept of Enoch digging the grave himself in the middle of the night is not only unsupported but has been invented by Rosemary out of thin air......same with the unnamed 'hired man'.
Enoch was not in charge of the legal considerations of the burial. It was properaly reported and the lack of a burial permit (the only missing document) that Rosemary is trying to exploit wasn't being enforced as evidenced by the other graves from the same historical period lacking a burial permit.
I gave Bowles the benefit of the doubt figuring he was duped into making statements and drawing conclusion on the false information Rosemary provided. Now I've changed my mind. I've called him twice and he doesn't take my calls and he's had nearly a week to get back to me. I thought a conversation might be of value to clarify and codify his thinking. There's a world of difference between asking about a grave that is 34 inches deep and asking about the normal depth of a grave in 1901.
Maybe Olsen, the funeral director that took charge of Addie's remains, might have an opinion on the depth of the grave.....who knows....he wasn't interviewed.......maybe I'll give him a call.
I've decided to put a section at the end of each blog entry to summarize the incorrect, unsupported, inaccurate and untruthful information..........might as well throw in unethical and questionable. Makes it easier later to see just how many times I read the same false information. Others are welcome to contribute to this list. Here we go...............
Assumed the lid was nailed shut - unsubstantiated, no historical support.
Niether Bowles nor anyone else can question the approach of the funeral director or the doctor since this was their call and they made it based on their knowledge and experience.
When Rosemary says 'this and other clues' in relation to the grave she fails to list those clues. The shallow grave theory is untruthful and inaccurately portrayed.
'Illegal burial' is subjective and not based on factual information, historical record or practice at the time.
'Enoch didn't turn to a funeral director' - unsupported. Quite the contrary, seems like mourners were grave side for the religious service. More likley, from the historical account, there was a funeral director involved.
'Enoch didn't have the stamina' - this statement is foundation for later claims. Enoch didn't dig the grave. This statement if completely unsupported and is bordering on unethical.
'Falseified the death certificate' - no supporting evidence of any kind. Also bordering on unethical.
'I'm choking....' may not have been entirely accurate when Addie said it but she was clearly aware she was in respiratory distress. To exploit this part of the obit is typical for someone desperately trying to make any kind of a case. Breathing is a two part body function. Addie may have had enough air in her lungs to speak audibly without being able to take in air.
Not quoting the entire passage of Mary Wilson's book, as I have in a different post, is quite simply....not ethical for any historian.
Too bad Rosemary's relatives were so dull that she has to pick on Enoch........the man that raised Addie's social status, cared for her and gave her everything she ever wanted.
Lastly, Enoch did not murder Addie as Rosemary claims. There hasn't been any firm evidence that proves there was any foul play in Addie's demise.
Bowles reputation and expertise is compromised by Rosemary selectively providing information and not giving him the complete picture to work from. While he answered her questions truthfully, based on his learning and experience, he was probably wrong since the information given him was wrong.
This was interesting. The assumption is that the coffin was nailed shut.....that's what Rosemary told Bowles, anyway. The part that is most entertaining is the comment about how "we're assuming" and " because of the size and placement of the nails". When I was standing at grave side there was minimal organization to the artifacts being removed. "Placement" is subjective and unsupported by any physical or historical evidence. Apparently Rosemary is now an expert in the construction of coffins.
There wasn't any closing and locking hardware found with the other artifacts. However, I will continue to repeat that all the artifacts taken were recovered from a 3 X 3 foot area at one corner of the grave. The artifacts were found under 34 inches of soil. That doesn't substantiate the original depth of the grave since it's obvious the materials within the grave were compressed from the original position into a relatively small area and there is strong indication that not all artifactes were found and removed from the grave. The forensic report states 'breakage and fragmentation of other bones appears most consistent with frost heave' - see the report in a different entry in this blog. This doesn't necessarily mean the grave was shallow when it was dug . It does confirm that over the course of 110 years various topographical, meterological, geological and botanical factors came into play and shifted the contents around. Eventually, the bones were moved up to the point where frost was a factor.
It is irresponsible for someone to state that the original grave depth can be determined accurately.
So, let's assume the coffin lid was nailed shut just for giggles...........since it cannot be confirmed; and there wasn't a locking mechanism since none was found. Assume from the obituary that friends and relatives attended the funeral . At least the funeral attendance has historical reference to support it. Seems logical to me to nail the lid shut to protect the attendees from running the risk of contracting diphtheria. Even Bowles admits some coffins were shut wood on wood without a closing mechanism. The other reason to secure the cover might be because of the lack of a vault to protect the reamins over time.
Now to the 'animal disturbance'. It's pretty obvious from the amount of skeletal remains found that there wasn't any animal disturbance. Poor Bowles was operating on the false information he received from Rosemary that the grave was 'only 34 inches deep' - an obviously untruthful piece of information. Knowning that Rosemary told him that was the depth of the grave pretty much invalidates most of his conclusions. I've seen Rosemary perform this 'slight of hand' before.....kind of a bait and switch interview. See the video presented to the Lake Mills - Aztalan Historical Society for a really good example of making something out of nothing.
The rest of this is the same old incorrect, unsupported, inaccurate and untruthful information I always find in the Addit Hoyt Fargo blog.
The idea that there wasn't a funeral director involved is ludicrous considering the description of the funeral in the obituary.
The concept of Enoch digging the grave himself in the middle of the night is not only unsupported but has been invented by Rosemary out of thin air......same with the unnamed 'hired man'.
Enoch was not in charge of the legal considerations of the burial. It was properaly reported and the lack of a burial permit (the only missing document) that Rosemary is trying to exploit wasn't being enforced as evidenced by the other graves from the same historical period lacking a burial permit.
I gave Bowles the benefit of the doubt figuring he was duped into making statements and drawing conclusion on the false information Rosemary provided. Now I've changed my mind. I've called him twice and he doesn't take my calls and he's had nearly a week to get back to me. I thought a conversation might be of value to clarify and codify his thinking. There's a world of difference between asking about a grave that is 34 inches deep and asking about the normal depth of a grave in 1901.
Maybe Olsen, the funeral director that took charge of Addie's remains, might have an opinion on the depth of the grave.....who knows....he wasn't interviewed.......maybe I'll give him a call.
I've decided to put a section at the end of each blog entry to summarize the incorrect, unsupported, inaccurate and untruthful information..........might as well throw in unethical and questionable. Makes it easier later to see just how many times I read the same false information. Others are welcome to contribute to this list. Here we go...............
Assumed the lid was nailed shut - unsubstantiated, no historical support.
Niether Bowles nor anyone else can question the approach of the funeral director or the doctor since this was their call and they made it based on their knowledge and experience.
When Rosemary says 'this and other clues' in relation to the grave she fails to list those clues. The shallow grave theory is untruthful and inaccurately portrayed.
'Illegal burial' is subjective and not based on factual information, historical record or practice at the time.
'Enoch didn't turn to a funeral director' - unsupported. Quite the contrary, seems like mourners were grave side for the religious service. More likley, from the historical account, there was a funeral director involved.
'Enoch didn't have the stamina' - this statement is foundation for later claims. Enoch didn't dig the grave. This statement if completely unsupported and is bordering on unethical.
'Falseified the death certificate' - no supporting evidence of any kind. Also bordering on unethical.
'I'm choking....' may not have been entirely accurate when Addie said it but she was clearly aware she was in respiratory distress. To exploit this part of the obit is typical for someone desperately trying to make any kind of a case. Breathing is a two part body function. Addie may have had enough air in her lungs to speak audibly without being able to take in air.
Not quoting the entire passage of Mary Wilson's book, as I have in a different post, is quite simply....not ethical for any historian.
Too bad Rosemary's relatives were so dull that she has to pick on Enoch........the man that raised Addie's social status, cared for her and gave her everything she ever wanted.
Lastly, Enoch did not murder Addie as Rosemary claims. There hasn't been any firm evidence that proves there was any foul play in Addie's demise.
Bowles reputation and expertise is compromised by Rosemary selectively providing information and not giving him the complete picture to work from. While he answered her questions truthfully, based on his learning and experience, he was probably wrong since the information given him was wrong.
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